And this is what makes reading Rohr so frustrating (and slow because I need to take breaks from his nonsense) because he mocks the idea of the fall and the need for Jesus’ sacrifice to save us.
He writes, “For the first two thousand years of Christianity, we framed our faith in terms of a problem and a threat.” (Rohr, 18)
No; Rohr, that is the state of the fallen world.
Our faith, which Jenny describes here, is one that Christians frame with hope.
Nov 22, 2022Liked by Phillip Hadden, Jonathon Fessenden
I agree with both David and Jenny. I think it is highly possible we are in the end times. I have been studying history since a teen. I am now 75. History is a passion of mine.There has never been an era of time quite like this one in which all prophecies and predictions are coming together. Though Jesus says and I accept that we will not know the exact day or hour. He does promise red flags and urges us to be aware of them. Peter tells us that a thousands years are as 1day to God. The Church rightly teaches that though we don't know the exact date of the end times, a term I dislike because its misleading,, as The end times are really the beginning or new times. Anyway the Church teaches that regardless of when 'the end times' come, or own personal end/beginning times can happen at any moment in our lives, so be ready. That brings me to the main point here. As Jenny says our focus should not be on governments, new laws, new political anything. Our focus should be on changing hearts (starting with our own, of course). Paul, who if you read carefully loved the Law of God, warned us that it is a teaching tool with no power to change us or the world. Our hearts must change which is accomplished in and through Christ Jesus. Unite and renew our hearts in the Heart of Christ! Then we are ready for which ever 'end/new time' comes to us first!
PS Israel being restored as a nation, as prophesied, is one of the signs of Jesus 2nd coming. Just saying, lets not argue. Lets be alert and ready!!!!!
If we are speaking of only the USA, then yes, our day will come when we are not the most powerful nation on earth, and that will not mean Jesus Coming is either near or far. But if Jesus had not intended for us to be alert, ready and aware that His Coming could be at any moment, He would not have told us to be ready now! We can not stick our heads in the sand and say Jesus didn't mean the 21st century. How do you know that for sure? Most Christian people I have met, including priests and bishops, are scared, frightened of Jesus 2nd coming! We do not wish to face it, so we hide and say "oh, not yet. Its too soon! There are not enough signs yet"! I don't know when He is coming, but if He were to come as I write this, it would not surprise me at all. I for one would say, "Hooray, finally! I am so overjoyed, Dear Lord!"!
The destruction of the Temple symbolized the destruction of everything the Jewish people held sacred; but Israel is again a nation as was prophesied (cf. Isaiah 11:11-12; 46:9-11; Jeremiah 16:14-15; Ezekiel 36:24-35; Zechariah 8:4-8; 12:2-14; Luke 21:24; Romans 11).
Jesus's disciples asked Christ the same type of question in the very Mathew 24th chapter in verse 3;"Tell us,when shall these things be,and of the end of the age?"
Jesus answered the question with what I'm saying now in verse 33;"So you also,when you see all these things(the signs of the times)know that it is near-even at the doors!"
"The wars and rumours of wars",plus the advent of so many false teachers,and all the other signs that are rapidly occurring in the very 24th chapter,are now under way.Plus,I think the general lack of love for others is so played in our society,even in our houses of worship,as described as a general characteristic of the last days"The love of many shall wax cold,because of the iniquity that abounds!"
It is my heartfelt belief,as well as it is for others,we are in the last day times just prior to the beginning of the tribulation events as described in Revelation,as well as in Mathew 24th chapter.Certainately,the attitudes and lifestyles of the people are reflected in the last day prophesy in 2nd Timothy 3rd chapter!
“However, we still live in a fallen world.”
And this is what makes reading Rohr so frustrating (and slow because I need to take breaks from his nonsense) because he mocks the idea of the fall and the need for Jesus’ sacrifice to save us.
He writes, “For the first two thousand years of Christianity, we framed our faith in terms of a problem and a threat.” (Rohr, 18)
No; Rohr, that is the state of the fallen world.
Our faith, which Jenny describes here, is one that Christians frame with hope.
I agree with both David and Jenny. I think it is highly possible we are in the end times. I have been studying history since a teen. I am now 75. History is a passion of mine.There has never been an era of time quite like this one in which all prophecies and predictions are coming together. Though Jesus says and I accept that we will not know the exact day or hour. He does promise red flags and urges us to be aware of them. Peter tells us that a thousands years are as 1day to God. The Church rightly teaches that though we don't know the exact date of the end times, a term I dislike because its misleading,, as The end times are really the beginning or new times. Anyway the Church teaches that regardless of when 'the end times' come, or own personal end/beginning times can happen at any moment in our lives, so be ready. That brings me to the main point here. As Jenny says our focus should not be on governments, new laws, new political anything. Our focus should be on changing hearts (starting with our own, of course). Paul, who if you read carefully loved the Law of God, warned us that it is a teaching tool with no power to change us or the world. Our hearts must change which is accomplished in and through Christ Jesus. Unite and renew our hearts in the Heart of Christ! Then we are ready for which ever 'end/new time' comes to us first!
PS Israel being restored as a nation, as prophesied, is one of the signs of Jesus 2nd coming. Just saying, lets not argue. Lets be alert and ready!!!!!
If we are speaking of only the USA, then yes, our day will come when we are not the most powerful nation on earth, and that will not mean Jesus Coming is either near or far. But if Jesus had not intended for us to be alert, ready and aware that His Coming could be at any moment, He would not have told us to be ready now! We can not stick our heads in the sand and say Jesus didn't mean the 21st century. How do you know that for sure? Most Christian people I have met, including priests and bishops, are scared, frightened of Jesus 2nd coming! We do not wish to face it, so we hide and say "oh, not yet. Its too soon! There are not enough signs yet"! I don't know when He is coming, but if He were to come as I write this, it would not surprise me at all. I for one would say, "Hooray, finally! I am so overjoyed, Dear Lord!"!
I will. I am very familiar with Ralph Martin, but a long time since I have read anything by him. I shall renew my acquaintance with him. Thank you!
The destruction of the Temple symbolized the destruction of everything the Jewish people held sacred; but Israel is again a nation as was prophesied (cf. Isaiah 11:11-12; 46:9-11; Jeremiah 16:14-15; Ezekiel 36:24-35; Zechariah 8:4-8; 12:2-14; Luke 21:24; Romans 11).
Jesus's disciples asked Christ the same type of question in the very Mathew 24th chapter in verse 3;"Tell us,when shall these things be,and of the end of the age?"
Jesus answered the question with what I'm saying now in verse 33;"So you also,when you see all these things(the signs of the times)know that it is near-even at the doors!"
"The wars and rumours of wars",plus the advent of so many false teachers,and all the other signs that are rapidly occurring in the very 24th chapter,are now under way.Plus,I think the general lack of love for others is so played in our society,even in our houses of worship,as described as a general characteristic of the last days"The love of many shall wax cold,because of the iniquity that abounds!"
It is my heartfelt belief,as well as it is for others,we are in the last day times just prior to the beginning of the tribulation events as described in Revelation,as well as in Mathew 24th chapter.Certainately,the attitudes and lifestyles of the people are reflected in the last day prophesy in 2nd Timothy 3rd chapter!