Kaleb, thank you. Your reflections are like attending Sunday school once again, Always learning "new" information; or being reminded of old, perhaps forgotten wisdom.
I’d be careful to generalize the average Catholic in the pew.
Many of the Catholics that I encounter on a day to day basis do have a supernatural faith, what they lack is perhaps a better Catechesis on the subject. May they have a more ‘New Age’ view on it? Perhaps. Though I would say if they don’t dismiss it outright, proper instruction can be enlightening.
“Sadly, many modern Catholics hate their own liturgical tradition, rejecting it in favor of worldly substitutes invented by committees during the general society-wide revolutions of the 1960s.”
I think it’s also strong to say “many” or “hate” here. There might be a sizable number, I’d suggest it to be aging & in the minority. The Vatican II council documents are still arguably orthodox & furthermore they had overwhelming support from the bishops & were formerly promulgated by the Pope.
Do Catholics “hate” their liturgical tradition? I’d say, since we’re talking about the Bread of Angels, Catholic know what they’ve been fed; there’s no hate from the weekly mass attendee that I witness at the mass most Catholics attend every Sunday.
Phillip, I've learned from writing on the internet for many years to always avoid making too universal of statements. That's why I said "many" in my post, not "all." My comment about New Age views of angels was in the context of addressing how modern secular culture treats them, not Catholics.
But I would say that many Catholics (on all levels) do hate their liturgical tradition by their rejection, with varying levels of negativity, of the ancient Mass of the Latin church. Most Latin Catholics are unaware of their own tradition, so cannot hate it explicitly, but those who are more familiar with it will often talk about it as though Vatican II, and especially the Novus Ordo, corrected what came before, for example by saying that ad orientem was elitist, or that Latin was exclusivist, etc. To use the words of Pope Francis, many will see it as "ostentatious" and "individualistic," a kind of Baroque performance without the simplicity and participation of the Novus Ordo. Unfortunately, Catholics today, especially theologians and apologists, tend to focus only on validity - so long as the Eucharist is valid, the rest is just "accidental" disciplines which are infinitely changeable, a view Pope Benedict specifically spoke against.
I would say most Catholics do have a supernatural faith, but their faith is not as authentically Catholic as it could or should be, due to the modern incorporation of Protestant and secular mentalities into Catholic thought, even if not in official doctrine. I was also careful to say the "spirit" of Vatican II - I believe it was orthodox, though also non-dogmatic and with varying levels of authority, as they intended.
Kaleb, thank you. Your reflections are like attending Sunday school once again, Always learning "new" information; or being reminded of old, perhaps forgotten wisdom.
Thank you very much, Al! God bless!
I’d be careful to generalize the average Catholic in the pew.
Many of the Catholics that I encounter on a day to day basis do have a supernatural faith, what they lack is perhaps a better Catechesis on the subject. May they have a more ‘New Age’ view on it? Perhaps. Though I would say if they don’t dismiss it outright, proper instruction can be enlightening.
“Sadly, many modern Catholics hate their own liturgical tradition, rejecting it in favor of worldly substitutes invented by committees during the general society-wide revolutions of the 1960s.”
I think it’s also strong to say “many” or “hate” here. There might be a sizable number, I’d suggest it to be aging & in the minority. The Vatican II council documents are still arguably orthodox & furthermore they had overwhelming support from the bishops & were formerly promulgated by the Pope.
Do Catholics “hate” their liturgical tradition? I’d say, since we’re talking about the Bread of Angels, Catholic know what they’ve been fed; there’s no hate from the weekly mass attendee that I witness at the mass most Catholics attend every Sunday.
Phillip, I've learned from writing on the internet for many years to always avoid making too universal of statements. That's why I said "many" in my post, not "all." My comment about New Age views of angels was in the context of addressing how modern secular culture treats them, not Catholics.
But I would say that many Catholics (on all levels) do hate their liturgical tradition by their rejection, with varying levels of negativity, of the ancient Mass of the Latin church. Most Latin Catholics are unaware of their own tradition, so cannot hate it explicitly, but those who are more familiar with it will often talk about it as though Vatican II, and especially the Novus Ordo, corrected what came before, for example by saying that ad orientem was elitist, or that Latin was exclusivist, etc. To use the words of Pope Francis, many will see it as "ostentatious" and "individualistic," a kind of Baroque performance without the simplicity and participation of the Novus Ordo. Unfortunately, Catholics today, especially theologians and apologists, tend to focus only on validity - so long as the Eucharist is valid, the rest is just "accidental" disciplines which are infinitely changeable, a view Pope Benedict specifically spoke against.
I would say most Catholics do have a supernatural faith, but their faith is not as authentically Catholic as it could or should be, due to the modern incorporation of Protestant and secular mentalities into Catholic thought, even if not in official doctrine. I was also careful to say the "spirit" of Vatican II - I believe it was orthodox, though also non-dogmatic and with varying levels of authority, as they intended.